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Ich fand dieses Forum durch die Suche von Google für mein Problem und fand diesen: http://www.trisaster.de/forum/index.php?topic=4773.0 (http://www.trisaster.de/forum/index.php?topic=4773.0).
Ich abgerissenes das gleiche bauteil, und ich versuche, es zu beheben. Ich fand diese http://www.digikey.ca/product-search/en?pv183=7361&pv19=43&pv16=5&FV=fff40003%2Cfff80013&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&stock=1&rohs=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25 (http://www.digikey.ca/product-search/en?pv183=7361&pv19=43&pv16=5&FV=fff40003%2Cfff80013&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&stock=1&rohs=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25) bin aber nicht sicher , welche richtig sind.
In hier, http://www.trisaster.de/forum/index.php?topic=4773.0 (http://www.trisaster.de/forum/index.php?topic=4773.0), Takeshi sagt, dass man die Verbindung zu überbrücken und es wird funktionieren , ist das wahr?
Was wäre schlecht über die Überbrückung der Verbindung , anstatt eine Induktivität?
For those who can read english:
Hi, I found this forum by searching Google for my problem, and found this thread here: http://www.trisaster.de/forum/index.php?topic=4773.0 (http://www.trisaster.de/forum/index.php?topic=4773.0).
I saw that the package type is 0603 and that the inductor is 270nh. I found these inductors here http://www.digikey.ca/product-search/en?pv183=7361&pv19=43&pv16=5&FV=fff40003%2Cfff80013&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&stock=1&rohs=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25 (http://www.digikey.ca/product-search/en?pv183=7361&pv19=43&pv16=5&FV=fff40003%2Cfff80013&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&stock=1&rohs=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25) but am not sure which one is the correct one for the PS3.
I also read in the thread http://www.trisaster.de/forum/index.php?topic=4773.0 (http://www.trisaster.de/forum/index.php?topic=4773.0), mentioned by Takeshi that the PS3 will work without the inductor, and you can just bridge the connection there. Does it work properly? What would be the negative effects of bridging the connection instead of using a inductor there?
Thank you.
It's better to put a new one at this place and NOT so bridge it. But most people want to bridge everything (they think a motherboard can work only with bridges ...). If you don't get this inductor, the console will probably work, but you can get system-crashes.
Where do you come from? If shipping is not to high, I also could send you one.
Which one you choose from DigiKey doesn't matter, they are mostly similar, only the manufacturer is different.
I have sent you a PM for my location. For the inductor's listed from DigiKey, the tolerance and current rating do not matter?
The tolerance doesn't matter, no. The current ... I don't know the current of the original one, because there are no details in the service manual ;)
Ah, I was not able to find any information in the service manuals as well. I hoped that you found something about it before but I guess not. :P
Have you had a chance to check the shipping costs to my location? I would be very grateful if everything works out!
The inductors have arrived today!
..unfortunately it did not fix my problem :( Should the PS3 still be able to turn on without the inductor?
When I removed the IHS for the CELL processor, I took off http://i.imgur.com/hiZ7bs1.png those 3 components. If the PS3 should be able to turn on without the inductor, that means that either the resistor or large capacitor is at fault correct?
Also, what was your method of desoldering? The inductors you gave me were very clean.
Zitat von: xAznxStylezx am 24. Dezember 2014, 19:05:53
Should the PS3 still be able to turn on without the inductor?
I don't think so. It seems to be there for some power supply and without the inductor, there is no voltage.
Zitat von: xAznxStylezx am 24. Dezember 2014, 19:05:53
When I removed the IHS for the CELL processor, I took off http://i.imgur.com/hiZ7bs1.png those 3 components.
Damn, why didn't you say this before? Then I hab send you all these components (sorry, I don't know the exactly right expression for what I mean). Did you place all these three components?
Zitat von: xAznxStylezx am 24. Dezember 2014, 19:05:53
Also, what was your method of desoldering? The inductors you gave me were very clean.
Hm ;D I ... put very much tin-lead solder all over the inductor, heat it up with the soldering iron and wait. Because there is much copper around this inductor I heat up the board with a heat gun, so the the temperature gradient is lower than without preheating. That's all.
What does your PS3 do at this moment?
Ah.. I don't know how to find out which of the 3 components is causing the problem then :P
I got a dead donor board before and desoldered the large capacitor, and small resistor to use, but I damaged the inductor when desoldering.
Right now I have all 3 components soldered onto my PS3, but am not sure if either I have damaged the components by overheating with soldering iron, or if I have not soldered it correctly.
ZitatHm ;D I ... put very much tin-lead solder all over the inductor, heat it up with the soldering iron and wait. Because there is much copper around this inductor I heat up the board with a heat gun, so the the temperature gradient is lower than without preheating. That's all.
So you don't actually put your soldering iron on the component? You just touch a copper spot near it and wait for the solder to melt?
Also, when I turned on my PS3, it beeps once like normal while starting the fan, then 1 second after it beeps 2-3 times with a flashing red light and shuts off. Even after the PS3 shuts off, the power button still blinks red until you press it once. Then it resets back to a solid red light (PS3 off).
But before damaging the board while removing the IHS the PS3 worked? Could you make a picture of this area?
Yes, before damaging the board while removing the IHS, the PS3 worked perfectly aside from overheating (which is why I removed the IHS). Here are some pictures that I took using my phone + macro lens. If they are not good enough, I can attempt to take some better ones. Excuse the mess of a solder job :P http://imgur.com/a/lVvnK (http://imgur.com/a/lVvnK)
The pictures are good and we can see, all pins are connected, although the solder connection is not beatiful.
Your PS3 now has a YLOD and the question is why. One possible answer is a damaged Cell. How did you remove the IHS and what does the Cell look like?
The only thing I can think about is maybe the small resistor is in the wrong direction? If the polarity of it is reversed, would it still give me a YLOD error?
I removed the IHS using a sanded down flat tool like
(http://laptopparts.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5f66bc532c8afee2b2a87b687010fa50/1/4/145-017-1.jpg)
The far left tool, bottom side. I applied constant pressure inbetween the IHS and the chip, cutting the silicon. I slipped on the corner which caused me to chop off the pieces. The CELL itsself is not scratched at all, and looks exactly like
(http://www.testhome.de/Austin316/files/Bilder/ps3/Cell_IHS_3.jpg).
A photo which looks "like" your board doesn't really help. I know how a board looks like ;) Bus I think there is no damage, if you used this tool. However a real photo (Cell and IHS) would be nice.
A resistor doesn't have a direction.
Sorry, I was not at home and wasn't able to take a picture. Here is a picture of my CELL http://imgur.com/a/t3Isk (http://imgur.com/a/t3Isk).
Ah yes, my mistake. I confused my resistor with my capacitors. What if the large capacitor was in the wrong direction, and the polarity was flipped? Unless this SMD capacitor has no polarity..
Also, would you be able to answer my previous question "So you don't actually put your soldering iron on the component? You just touch a copper spot near it and wait for the solder to melt?"
Perhaps it may be my soldering method that damaged the components?
The picture of your cell is blurry as hell, no way to rate the condition of the cell...
Zitat von: xAznxStylezx am 28. Dezember 2014, 00:42:31
Sorry, I was not at home and wasn't able to take a picture. Here is a picture of my CELL http://imgur.com/a/t3Isk (http://imgur.com/a/t3Isk).
I can't see any scratches, that might be okay. But you didn't remove all the silicone! Did you connected the fan while testing the PS3? If so, turned it very fast very loud?
Zitat von: xAznxStylezx am 28. Dezember 2014, 00:42:31
Ah yes, my mistake. I confused my resistor with my capacitors. What if the large capacitor was in the wrong direction, and the polarity was flipped? Unless this SMD capacitor has no polarity..
Also (most) capacitors have no polarity, at least this one has none.
Zitat von: xAznxStylezx am 28. Dezember 2014, 00:42:31
Also, would you be able to answer my previous question "So you don't actually put your soldering iron on the component? You just touch a copper spot near it and wait for the solder to melt?"
Perhaps it may be my soldering method that damaged the components?
Oh sorry, I forgot this. Sure, I put my soldering iron on the component. I don't think they got to hot.
Silicon = Silizium
Silicone = Silikon
Uffpasse ;)
So it is better to leave all the slilicon where it belongs and only remove the rest of the silicone what "glued" the IHS on the Cell chip.
Zitat von: RalleBert am 28. Dezember 2014, 17:24:55
Silicon = Silizium
Silicone = Silikon
Uffpasse ;)
Oh fuck, thanks ::)
Zitat von: DoggyDog am 28. Dezember 2014, 02:18:07
The picture of your cell is blurry as hell, no way to rate the condition of the cell...
The first picture is blurry to show that the CELL processor its self isn't scratched (Focused to the reflection to my ceiling).
Zitat von: Takeshi am 28. Dezember 2014, 15:51:25
I can't see any scratches, that might be okay. But you didn't remove all the silicone! Did you connected the fan while testing the PS3? If so, turned it very fast very loud?
I removed all the silicon stuck to the IHS, but didn't remove it from the CELL since it wasn't interfering with the IHS making contact. I did connect the fan to the PS3 (actually reassembled everything) but I don't think the PS3 can even get to a stage to check temperature/fan speed. Once I press the power button, it shuts off within 2 seconds (Green light for 1 second, yellow for 1 second, then blinking red until you reset). While it's on for those 2 seconds, the fan speed doesn't seem very loud, it sounds/looks like it spinning at a normal speed.
Zitat von: Takeshi am 28. Dezember 2014, 15:51:25
Also (most) capacitors have no polarity, at least this one has none.
Ah yes, I was aware that the larger cylinder capacitors had negative and positive leads, but was unsure about SMD capacitors.
Zitat von: Takeshi am 28. Dezember 2014, 15:51:25
Oh sorry, I forgot this. Sure, I put my soldering iron on the component. I don't think they got to hot.
What kind of tip are you using with your soldering iron?
It seems you cant't imagine how fast the fan-speed can increase :D But if the speed stays normal, it's okay.
However, you should remove the solicone from both sides. I do this everytime and you won't get a short circuit.
The tip is about 2 mm wide.
I will remove the silicone from the CELL tonight and see what happens. Would that be the problem causing my YLOD though? It seems unlikely that silicone on the CELL could cause a problem. Is there anything else you can think of that I could try?
That was rather an information for the future. Generally that could cause YLOD, but then the fan speeds up due to overheating.
Zitat von: xAznxStylezx am 28. Dezember 2014, 23:10:18
Is there anything else you can think of that I could try?
Not really, sorry. A reflow of the Cell. Sometimes it seems to cause broken solder balls by cutting the silicone, especially with thick tools I think.